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…or how to write yourself in a corner and never get out of it. If anyone ever needed evidence that Toriyama wasn´t thinking his story through to the actual end (granted,…
I would have to check but Raditz is stronger than the little bug soldiers and being a saiyan he pretty much always had a the possibility to become stronger. As for he being weak or not, he seems to be an elite at a young age which means he is stronger than his third class father who we never doubt is strong. The reason we never doubt bardock is strong is because we are never told he is weak while vegeta pretty much says everyone is weak except for himself and Goku and i feel vegeta is the least reliable source because of how bias he is towards anyone one number weaker than him. So imo raditz was average saiyan with potential or above average just not above vegeta and nappa but lets remember he was above piccolo and goku and it took 2 and some help from a kid we are told always had some inner power beyond that of his father to bring him down.
But yeah tori is kind of erratic with his writing lmao.
Maybe power levels are bullshit. XD The thing about Raditz being barely stronger than Saibamen is from those databooks (which, in all honesty, was illogic from the start, and was really fanmadely after Frieza Arc,) and Toriyama couldn’t have cared less about them when he revisited the manga. I don’t think his new canon was THAT t strange, given just what we given in the original manga.
AT stated that Nappa have equal status below Vegeta in their gang, and given that Nappa was totally beaten by Goku (then 8000 in power) Nappa couldn’t have been more than 6000 or 7000. Surely Raditz was at least half that level to be “equal” with Nappa ?) Like what was said, if Piccolo used other techniques and Goku didn’t grab him still , what would guarantee they would have not been as fucked as in the fight with Nappa and Vegeta? And actually, despite Vegeta, he and Nappa never pressed that strongly about how much of a weakling Raditz was in terms of power level. All Vegeta said was “Tch, beaten by guys with power levels below 1000” (as if normally Raditz was so much stronger than that) and later Nappa said “That stupid Raditz was careless.” Now I’ll sit with the notion that Raditz was like 3000, 4000 or something at that time. He couldn’t have been that weak. As for Vegeta, I don’t believe he was that immensely stronger than the other two either. After the zenkai from the battle on earth he was like only 20000 on Namek, so before he was surely A LOT weaker, let alone when he was a 7 year old kid. 3 or 4 times stronger than Raditz is the most logical he can be. Even Raditz said : “The other two are a lot stronger than I”. It’s not like he meant they are ten times stronger than him.
About the circumtances surrounding the three Saiyans, we best forget about ANYTHING outside the manga (the anime filler and TV special) when we talk about Raditz and Vegeta in Minus. I think if we agree that Raditz couldn’t have been that weak, him being sent on a team with Kid Vegeta is plausible. Maybe they wanted Raditz to learn some battle experience? To a guy like Vegeta, pairing them togther would be senseless, but i don’t think to US and whoever paired them up, it was that senseless. Nappa is another story now. It’s safe to say he was never Vegeta’s nanny or any kind of close servant in this new canon. If anything, i believe he was some other survivor that they found and made teamment after everything with Vegeta-sei was done. Raditz was not the one who was “found and kept”.
Puh, okay, I feel the need to make a confession. This is making me rather uncomfortable, cause I know, especially now, why I made that original post. I was highly influenced by the TFS abridged series… and that I haven´t noticed that till now is actually horrible and embarrassing. I stopped watching TFS because they are sexist and stopped being funny rather quickly and I was also super annoyed by the flood of ‘canon’ that came from them into the DBZ fandom. Yeah, well… So I made a mistake on that regard.
Another thing, most of my headcanons originated around 3 years ago, and back then the only knowledge there was of this matter was ‘Goku was sent away as an infant, logically Radditz who was somehow weak must´ve been equally weak and Bardock as well and anyway’ I see the flaws in that. Basically, that Radditz post is outdated now and I want to say thanks again to the great discussion, it definitely changed my view on the matter completely!